The FWYC has no political agenda at all so any talk of politics or political philosophy has no place here in this thread or at the FWYC.
If you wish, in a political sense I would describe the FWYC as a political phenomena if anything.
You obviously did not look up the word Anarchy.
You describe a society where anything goes with no consequences, yet you say that politics have no place at the FWYC. _________________ Fair Sailing all...........
Joined: 05 Aug 2008 Posts: 347 Location: http://freeworldyachtclub.net
Posted: 05 Oct 2008 0:41 Post subject:
Ohmbray wrote:
You obviously did not look up the word Anarchy.
You describe a society where anything goes with no consequences, yet you say that politics have no place at the FWYC.
No consequences? Everything has consequences either good or bad depending on what the action was. Where those consequences come from is entirely up to the person who has been effected. What does "no consequences" have to do with an anarchy? It is true that a form of anarchy is a state of lawlessness and no government. There are no laws at the FWYC but there are traditions that simply suggest, not demand, how things are done.
You might have anarchy mixed up with omniarchy. I am well aware of what an anarchy is. Maybe you should try looking up the word "omniarchy". I don't expect you to understand the FWYC but you could do some research and get your facts straight before you start pointing your finger. Here's a start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omniarchy
The FWYC is a free society. I'll assure you the FWYC is not an anarchy, a democracy, an omniarchy or any other politically categorized organization. I already explained to you that as far as politics are concerned the FWYC would be a political phenomena if anything. Are you a political scientist? I would assume not. What is the point of your posts here? You can have any view of the FWYC that you wish. We do not impose any kind of belief system on anybody but to politically categorize a free society is nonsense and way off base.
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Posted: 05 Oct 2008 0:52 Post subject: The FWYC Creed
The FWYC is an international community of sailors and virtual sailors who share their sailing and virtual sailing experience with eachother. There are no requirements for membership. There are no dues or fees. The FWYC is not allied with any sect, denomination, politics, organization or institution; does not wish to engage in any controversy, neither endorses nor opposes any causes. Our primary purpose is to carry the message of freedom to all that have been oppressed or discriminated against in the VSK community and beyond. _________________ VSK DOWNLOADS HERE http://freeworldyachtclub.net/forum
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Posted: 30 Oct 2008 11:26 Post subject:
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This isn't revolutionary, it is elementary to freedom and liberty.
Well seams like most humans would support your view, were it not that justice seams missing and rule seams missing implying no limit to violence and supression,
this is where you'll meet resistance behind every bend on your way to "freedom and liberty" . You alternatively can bask in the freedom and justice offered by rule, by joining this forum for instance.
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Posted: 31 Oct 2008 11:59 Post subject:
In your words all ruling shall be left to
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proper authority's
thus
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The FWYC has no opinion on morality nor will anybody be policed, held or "suppressed" to any kind of moral code.
would mean as far as these authorities permits.
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Obviously your view is that they do.
not quite
From the FWYC Traditions
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No FWYC member can compel another to do anything; nobody can be punished or expelled.
I understand based on your comments that to include an exception "Nobody can be punished or expelled.unless FWYC operators are compelled by authorities to do so."
I'm only wondering if you actually need a law officer on your side holding a gun to your head to make you abide the law, or if you seek to abide the law by your own accordance. This as opposed to having no law at all.
Or let me say it this way.
Can my kid join FWYC without me running the risk of being jailed because i exposed my kid to content which is prohibited by juvenile law. ?
Seeking an injunction through a court of law as a proper authority is not an option but will not prevent me from going to jail as i knowingly and willing exposed my kid to that content.
1. The FWYC's primary purpose is to encourage good sportsmanship and fair racing while breaking down the barriers associated with VSK related virtual yacht clubs such as discrimination based on age, gender, race, nationality, physical and or mental disabilities, sexual orientation, sailing experience, etc......... No person or group of people are denied membership at the FWYC. We do NOT discriminate against anybody for any reason.
2. Our common welfare should come first, but not infringe upon personal freedom. No FWYC member can compel another to do anything; nobody can be punished or expelled. The FWYC, as such, is based on freedom and liberty NOT anarchy.
3. There are no requirements for FWYC membership. You are a member when you say you are a member and or register an account on the forum. Every member is an equal entity and has access to all categories, boards, topics and posts within the FWYC forum as well as the right to participate in VSK on line FWYC sponsored races.
4. There are no dues or fees for FWYC membership. The FWYC is self supporting declining outside contributions.
5. The FWYC ought never endorse, finance or lend the FWYC name to any outside enterprize, lest problems of money, property and prestige divert us from our primary purpose. While the FWYC may cooperate with anyone, such cooperation ought never to go so far as affiliation or endorsement, actual or implied. The FWYC can bind itself to no one.
6. The FWYC has no ultimate authority or formal government such as Commodore, Vice Commodore, Admiral, etc... The FWYC Administration Team and Moderators are but trusted servants; they do not govern.
7. Along with the FWYC's primary purpose, each individual FWYC member has but one primary purpose -- to carry the message of freedom to those who have been or may be oppressed or discriminated against in VSK related clubs, forums and on line racing.
8. The FWYC ought never be organized, but we may create service boards, member groups or committees directly responsible to those they serve.
9. The FWYC should remain forever nonprofessional. We define professionalism as the occupation of VSK sailing/tactical training and or counseling for fees or hire.
10. Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion. The FWYC asks, does not demand, all members maintain there anonymity at the level of on line VSK races. Members use whatever screen name they wish in both the FWYC forum and VSK on line races. These names do NOT have to coincide with eachother. Using your FWYC member number from the member list and or the FWYC acronym in your VSK boat name is NOT required nor do we wish to impose that on anybody.
11. The FWYC has no opinion on outside issues hence the FWYC name ought never be drawn into public controversy.
12. Freedom is the foundation for all our traditions, ever reminding us to place principles before personalities.
You seam quite capable of policing... without mentioning names however you forget to
call in the proper authorities.
Maybe i can clear up some of it
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barriers associated with VSK related virtual yacht clubs such as discrimination based on age, gender, race, nationality, physical and or mental disabilities, sexual orientation, sailing experience, etc.........
discrimination based on age:
Where I live that's the authorities compelling the operators to discriminate through juvenile law, because some of the content can be off limits for under-aged.
discrimination based on: gender, race, nationality, physical and or mental disabilities, sexual orientation..
I know of no VSK related virtual yachtclub that authorises it members, users to do so or does not distance itself from such content, and does not have a policy to remove such content.
On the contrary FWYC seams to need authoritve oversight, as by your words you do not police, nor compel anyone etc. leaving that to authorities. (I suggest you ask your hosting provider he probably is compelled by authorities about his policies)
FWYC primary purpose "encourage good sportsmanship and fair racing"
discriminate based on: sailing experience..
I'm really curious about the educational aspect of encouraging without discriminating.
Without discrimination there's no reward for sailing fair or being a good sportsman nor is there regressive consequence for not sailing fair or bad sportsmanship. So how is someone encouraged?
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barriers associated with VSK related virtual yacht clubs such as discrimination based on age, gender, race, nationality, physical and or mental disabilities, sexual orientation, sailing experience, etc.........
You mention no names of any of those virtual yacht clubs or their operators. As far as I know the community, most of these virtual yacht clubs are based and operated from countries that have laws that do not allow discrimination, what's more any and all of them that i know accordingly police, and rule on any content on their websites. Education, exams, tests, licenses and juvenile protection are usually by law not considered discrimination.
Not mentioning any names makes the FWYC Traditions formulate what is called FUD,
and surely will not make you any friends in the community.
I suggest that instead of encouraging sailing with less barriers you expose those "clubs" that should face authorities.
BTW: I'm not an Admiral of anything but my own boat
Posted: 03 Nov 2008 1:02 Post subject: Re: The Free World Yacht Club
pumpkin wrote:
We do not hold any elections nor is there any kind of formal government at all. Every member is an equal entity. You can come and go as you please. Register for an account on the forum. You can always delete your own account at your own discretion if you feel it's not for you. We do NOT nor do we want to police anybody for any reason. There are proper authorities for that kind of thing.
Lol, is this the Libertarian Yacht Club or what? What is the point, I might as well just stick to public racing where anything goes.
1. The FWYC's primary purpose is to encourage good sportsmanship and fair racing
Dude if I wanted good sportmanship and fair racing I'd join a yacht club where there was governance and rules enforced, but since you have no restrictions or enforcement I might as well just stick to public racing.
1. The FWYC's primary purpose is to encourage good sportsmanship and fair racing while breaking down the barriers associated with VSK related virtual yacht clubs such as discrimination based on age, gender, race, nationality, physical and or mental disabilities, sexual orientation, sailing experience, etc......... No person or group of people are denied membership at the FWYC. We do NOT discriminate against anybody for any reason.
2. Our common welfare should come first, but not infringe upon personal freedom. No FWYC member can compel another to do anything; nobody can be punished or expelled. The FWYC, as such, is based on freedom and liberty NOT anarchy.
3. There are no requirements for FWYC membership. You are a member when you say you are a member and or register an account on the forum. Every member is an equal entity and has access to all categories, boards, topics and posts within the FWYC forum as well as the right to participate in VSK on line FWYC sponsored races.
4. There are no dues or fees for FWYC membership. The FWYC is self supporting declining outside contributions.
5. The FWYC ought never endorse, finance or lend the FWYC name to any outside enterprize, lest problems of money, property and prestige divert us from our primary purpose. While the FWYC may cooperate with anyone, such cooperation ought never to go so far as affiliation or endorsement, actual or implied. The FWYC can bind itself to no one.
6. The FWYC has no ultimate authority or formal government such as Commodore, Vice Commodore, Admiral, etc... The FWYC Administration Team and Moderators are but trusted servants; they do not govern.
7. Along with the FWYC's primary purpose, each individual FWYC member has but one primary purpose -- to carry the message of freedom to those who have been or may be oppressed or discriminated against in VSK related clubs, forums and on line racing.
8. The FWYC ought never be organized, but we may create service boards, member groups or committees directly responsible to those they serve.
9. The FWYC should remain forever nonprofessional. We define professionalism as the occupation of VSK sailing/tactical training and or counseling for fees or hire.
10. Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion. The FWYC asks, does not demand, all members maintain there anonymity at the level of on line VSK races. Members use whatever screen name they wish in both the FWYC forum and VSK on line races. These names do NOT have to coincide with eachother. Using your FWYC member number from the member list and or the FWYC acronym in your VSK boat name is NOT required nor do we wish to impose that on anybody.
11. The FWYC has no opinion on outside issues hence the FWYC name ought never be drawn into public controversy.
12. Freedom is the foundation for all our traditions, ever reminding us to place principles before personalities.
Lol, what the heck, you guys have more rules and regulations and more dictating of how things should be than a regular yacht club - You ought never do this, you may not compel to do that, you shouldn't do this, you oughta do that, our policy is this, we may do that, ZZZzzzzZZzzzzzzz.
If you want to use "Free-World", it should have read like this.
The FWYC Traditions
1. There are no rules, and absolutley anything goes.
The FWYC traditions are mainly in place as simple guidlines as far as the FWYC forum itself. They do not dictate how, why or when people race or organize racing using VSK nor do they dictate how people do anything.
Sounds completely pointless to me. How is that different than normal random public racing.
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Maybe if you were to utilize them rather than analyze them you just might get a clearer picture of what they are all about.
Well you see I analyse and then decide if I want to utilise, but I think I'll pass on this one. Good luck with it anyway, whatever it is.
The FWYC provides a forum for people to organize races themselves. It also organizes races and regattas for it's members but does not exclude anybody from them. FWYC members do whatever they want and obviously have the right to exclude anybody they wish from racing in their own races but any "official" FWYC regatta has not and will not exclude anybody.
Oh great, so if some rogue(s) come along to official races and crash boats, pen hunt, ruin the races, etc you can't exclude them because a rule is forced onto it's members that they can't be excluded.
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