Joined: 14 May 2010 Posts: 56 Location: Athens/Greece
Posted: 10 Aug 2012 21:43 Post subject: JLX BRA takes hosting to another level
Dear god what a bad sore looser host hahahahha
You will be lucky if you don't get kicked in his server... and if you do you need to go head scratching why he did it...
You see him kicking and banning and you think... ok i will not say aything cause I just want to play the game... then it happens to you for no reason and you can't stop wondering...
How do some players survive in this virtual world?
Posted: 13 Aug 2012 10:08 Post subject: Hosts and their kicking/banning habbits
You just have to either figure out how to host yourself (it's fun - you should try it) or find another server. I know it sounds harsh but if someone is hosting they also have the authority to kick and ban whoever they want.
It's not something than will make them popular - or gain respect - but they can.
Believe me - I've kicked and banned quite a few players. For instance if they give no room at land - or barging at a topmark. I often get angry emails from players - But it's just like in the real world. People can get really pissed - and I guess that happened to you here today as well
Joined: 14 May 2010 Posts: 56 Location: Athens/Greece
Posted: 13 Aug 2012 13:45 Post subject:
Thanks for the reply.
I'm sorry to say I have hosted hundreds of times through the years, both in public and club events so I've been in your "seat" as I said hundreds of times... but I'm not talking about a server like yours outspan were you could have low ranked, just for the laugh - free game version players...
I was talking about a server with highly competitive, well-known and respectful players... Apart from kicking the NADEO skin players, and the rare occasion of a disrespectful players, there is hardly a reason to kick someone in such servers, there are rarely incidents involving barging, and giving water, etc.
Now I don't want to get in trouble in uploading a video, but basically my view was blocked by boats at my stern going downwind and I hit the stern of a leading boat that had taken down her spi... While being sandwiched at the time with no space to do the turn I had to infilict myself another pen by hitting the same boat, went clear and as I was doing my turn I got kicked. Sounds crazy? Exactly what happened...
Following day of the post, host entered another server in my presence and at the start started being disrespectful to another player... got rightly kicked by host and returning asked why he was kicked... after some exchange in Spanish he got banned, and that sums this persons status in VSK...
Normally I easily forget incidents , however I have always tried to be fair and friendly and respectful to most, I'm ranked 90 and I like to have a fair race with the best. Yes I hate being kicked for no reason, even more when I can easily get in the hosts position in various other situations.
WetStuff
P.S. Speaking about real world, did you see how much barging went on the Olympics? _________________ ~~Ride like the wind~~
Posted: 15 Aug 2012 8:22 Post subject: Tried that ...
Hi again - didn't know you had hosted already.
I had an incident yesterday with a player on the server where I test new maps. He barged big time at the top mark - so I kicked him to prevent more damage.
He came back in and complained and asked why - so I explained in short that he had port barged at the mark. Did he EVER get pissed.
So he told me I was black listed on his server, blah blah blah etc.
It's not easy to keep all ppl happy!
Nadeo rank 90 is quite good - altho I dont give much for that ranking. I rather consider it Experience Points - since I beat a lot of sailors who are supposably better thank I am - based on the ladder points.
There was a bit of barging during the olympics
It's fun to see real world sailing like that - wish they would show more of that and not just doing the olympics.
This happened to me too - I've been blacklisted on this jerk's server for years, for no reason and with no reason given. The Brazilians are the worst sports in VSK and this clown is their champ.
VSK's defects are no damage for boat contact and the various ban and blacklist functions that empower bad skippers.
The Brazilians are the worst sports in VSK and this clown is their champ.
I wasn't aware that Team JB was also Brazilian ??? ...joke...
Anyway, Team JB is the champ of hosters with a head as big as the O2 arena with a pea-brain inside.
He is the king of the bad hosts and the champ of bad maps.
Joined: 14 May 2010 Posts: 56 Location: Athens/Greece
Posted: 29 Aug 2012 9:40 Post subject:
Lucifer wrote:
He is the king of the bad hosts and the champ of bad maps.
It's funny you said that, I have been blacklisted on his server because on the only race I ever took part in on his server and after a chaos of penalties where everyone was blaming the other, I said that it was the bad map design that caused so many pens and not the incidental occurence that all of the VSK worst players had gathered on this single race.
Instead of taking the advice and trying to improve his maps, he decided to blacklist me - beats me _________________ ~~Ride like the wind~~
He is the king of the bad hosts and the champ of bad maps.
It's funny you said that, I have been blacklisted on his server because on the only race I ever took part in on his server and after a chaos of penalties where everyone was blaming the other, I said that it was the bad map design that caused so many pens and not the incidental occurence that all of the VSK worst players had gathered on this single race.
Instead of taking the advice and trying to improve his maps, he decided to blacklist me - beats me
I'll suggest you find another host
Saying that a map has a bad design is also pretty rude - I often keep my mouth shut and just sail. If I find it crappy - I leave.
It's a game - and getting real pissed because you get kicked, banned or blacklisted is just a complete waste of time.
I sadly tripped over this post...
I understand and agree with your comments about Jlaser (JLX)...this was the main reason for me stop racing there and, as long I know him personnaly, I told him why...I became embarassed with his behavior.
And the point is...STOP RACING THERE!...I don't NEED to race, I race FOR FUN.
But I must say that offensive comments like JHL's speaks more about himself than about his target ...he should not make that public...everyone knows bad players/hosts, from every country, but we can't generalize because there are also good & fair players/hosts from all countries. That was just...a shameful arrogance's example.
And about "bad maps"...discarding some obvious mistakes/errors like overlapping gate marks or badly set intercepting legs and a few more not remembered examples...what I usually witness are players who can't adapt (or think) to the map they are racing.
Up & Down races became "normal" only due to Television "necessities"...before that the normal always was the "Triangle" and the "Free course"...and what you are calling "bad maps" are simply "free" ones ... a map which needs "thinking capable sailors", sailors who knows his boat limits and is able to determine when and why do a move or choose a sail, not only "speed machines"...a well developped software could race boring Up&Down maps...or play Chess ... but is needed a Sailor (not only a gamer) to race a "free" map.
Juno*BR (Brazil - to those who didn't know)
"You haven't won the race, if in winning the race you have lost the respect of your competitors." Paul Elvström
I must say that offensive comments like JHL's speaks more about himself than about his target ...he should not make that public...everyone knows bad players/hosts, from every country, but we can't generalize because there are also good & fair players/hosts from all countries. That was just...a shameful arrogance's example.
The question is just why you "must say" that, Juno. I can answer that.
First understand that you're making an assessment of character based on anonymous encounters in absentia of fact or real knowledge - we've never met and you haven't any idea what I am or what I think save for what you think you can extrapolate in order to serve your own agenda.
In that this remark probably exposes you as a tool for political correctness, were I to guess, that disease of reason and accountability that stands in in all sorts of venues as the equivalent of the blind fervor of bad religion. Political correctness is symptomatic of the dysfunction manifest by the progressive tolerance brigade as they go around pronouncing how things shall be and just who is suitable to ensure that they are.
It's all a modern day inquisition of sorts. Here, anonymously and without any indication of who I am, you can issue a remark aimed at slandering someone you've never met and you can defend it, even if only tacitly, because you can assert - again, tacitly - that it's just SO wrong for me to observe the objective reality of experience and to speak my mind when it somehow interferes with your own pet sensibilities.
Second, do you not see the disconnect? Here it is: You lodge a complaint against a stranger for your having adopted a poorly-reasoned dogma that you expect he honor for you from thousands of miles away and prior to a meaningful contact he and you will likely never have. You've held him up to inspection by your own misled feelings, not your reasoned, objective knowledge.
And that is because you never even bothered to ask. I'd call that shameless and arrogant.
See, the problem for you is that in my experience over the years in VSK the Brazilians have been most incivil. If it were the case that the Belge or the Czeks or the Americans or the South Africans or the Pope's own entourage were the most offensive players I'd have said that.
But I didn't say that because that has not been my experience. Sorry; there you have it.
It's therefore not offensive unless you aim to make it offensive, in which case, as I said, you're a tool for political correctness and you feel that in tern somehow gives you the moral authority to try and convict others by your own exclusive, private, dogmatic morality.
PostPosted: 26 Apr 2012 12:40
Post subject: Respect the differences among people in Virtual Skipper.
Since 2001 I´ve had the Virtual Skipper 2 and played the Virtual Skipper 1 demo. I´m sorry to say this, but I´ve never considered Virtual Skipper a true sailing simulator as many people do. Because of unreal boat speed, tacking time and sail trim which are far from what I experienced in real sailing. But I´ve always played the game for fun and I like to design race courses (lately called maps) and mostly to meet and build new friendships. I´ve met hundreds of people in the game, knowing several by the first name. I remember when the game had only about 100 players and we chat about our jobs, our families, our dog, our boat, etc. I´ve always built some conversation in the chat, sometimes exchanged email, other times spoke in skype or team speak. This means that I´ve built some virtual game friendship which may have become a true real world friendship in some cases.
Making friends in the game is easy. You only need to say hello, say welcome, to observe sympathy, to make some comments about the race, to be polite and to avoid penalties.
Sometimes the virtual friendship builds up for some abstract reason as the other person has some connection with your world, maybe from the same country, maybe cultural aspects you share, or a place you have been to as well, and other things in life that both shared although they never met. Anyway what counts is that this new friend maybe someone you wish to talk about the past, the present or the future.
Remember that players have different origins, education, culture, different language. Maybe have no good knowledge of the many technical aspects of the game, or a bad web connexion maybe. I remember I had a ridiculous web connexion for some years, causing huge lag. But I could not buy anything better!
People have different understanding of sailing and rules. Some guys have never sailed before. Some other may seem arrogant, or not sympathetic to you. Some are maybe mentally sick or have mental problems. Crazy people. That´s the real world. Anyway, it´s necessary to be tolerant and open to different interpretations of the chat words and rules.
You may disagree about something, and sometimes the game chat doesn´t help to clarify things. Respecting other people is one way to respect yourself as human being who understands other people, other communities and other ways of thinking. If you don´t understand this certainly you are not adjusted to the society you live in. You may disagree with someone and discuss but not offend. Of course some guys will use this tolerance in their convenience. Poor individual, he is being ridiculous.
We never know who is the human being on the other side, independently of his economic or social position, his status or whatever, and non tolerance is very near prejudice. Near the limits of you own understanding of this world. Be wise and play the game in a fair way using the rules when needed and have fun.
Thanks to all those whom I consider as true real world friends and some who I´ve already met personally or hope to meet in future. Maybe sailing.
Apparently after one year no new idea has crossed your brain as you repeat exactly what you have said with so little talent and so little success a year earlier
It's true that " Who is born a donkey cannot die a horse"... Confucius said..
Then, to answer you, I will repeat what I answered you one year ago:).... poor forum...
Lucifer:
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Posted: 27 Apr 2012 15:31 Post subject:
Beautiful post indeed.
Besides, it perfectly illustrates the old sentence "fortunately, ridicule does not kill"
Here, we see Sampa coming and explaining what "respect" is, and how we have to behave in life and also in this game.
We, poor skippers have for a moment the strange impression of being relegated to the category of nitwits in need of a mentor to dictate what we have to do and how to think.
However, it seems that I remember that as a host, Sampa, in the memory of VSK, was one of the most intolerant hosts of VSK ; arbitrarily kicking skippers immediately when an action displeased him, even if it was correct.
I also remember having seen circulate around, some personal insults about VSK skippers that Sampa wrote, and incredibly ... made public ....
So today, seeing Sampa arrive to give us a moral lesson is just hilarious, because surely it's a joke? … … isn’t it ?
At the risk of inflaming yet more circular reasoning and empty assertion, no, I do not. You are free to point it out, however, and I suggest you do so.
I do, however, find that each time you repeat these tired fallacies you prove the points laid out refuting them, especially in the thread you linked.
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